tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post1007222254727373108..comments2023-06-15T11:59:39.572-04:00Comments on DYVERS: Was it a Money Grab? Or Was There a Substantive Reason for the Relaunch?Dyvershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06032957275132817602noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-12283238173560207562015-02-26T21:02:04.576-05:002015-02-26T21:02:04.576-05:00I don't really think it was a money grab. As I...I don't really think it was a money grab. As I noted before, 3.5 could be played with the 3.0 books as long as you had the errata which was provided for free. <br /><br />There was no *actual* need to purchase new books other than fulfilling some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder.Raging Owlbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556804177905125874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-78281265929223114812015-02-26T02:01:15.753-05:002015-02-26T02:01:15.753-05:00The problem with 3.0 was that the designers had ch...The problem with 3.0 was that the designers had changed many of the fundamentals of the system without thinking through the consequences. For example, all classes started using the same XP table, but nobody realized that this meant you had to balance all the classes at each and every level, particularly when characters could now multiclass at any time. Some spells that had been balanced by Kevin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06076147424768269913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-72062923885427972072015-02-25T16:30:38.586-05:002015-02-25T16:30:38.586-05:00I still prefer 3.0 to 3.5 and Pathfinder. 3.5 and ...I still prefer 3.0 to 3.5 and Pathfinder. 3.5 and PF Core books are so bloated compared to 3.0. The 3.5 revision really ramped up the character build aspect of the game. Although not included in the Core rules, 3.5 added Swift and Immediate actions, making combat last longer. The damage reduction system was completely overhauled, making for the golf bag full of weapons a necessity. Lastly the deletedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629023989035899992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-60964679895221747702015-02-25T13:59:07.917-05:002015-02-25T13:59:07.917-05:00Harm has been around since AD&D 1st edition, w...Harm has been around since AD&D 1st edition, where it was a 6th level Cleric spell. the reverse of Heal. Note that it was higher level than Slay Living (the reverse of Raise Dead) which required a touch, but did allow a saving throw. Using either was also considered an Evil act which placed some serious limitations on its use by players.tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-49661255551575205522015-02-25T12:49:35.882-05:002015-02-25T12:49:35.882-05:00There was a comic strip called "Order Of The ...There was a comic strip called "Order Of The Stick" that covers the 3.5 relaunch in a pretty humorous way. You probably find it online but if not, drop a note here and I'll dig up my roommate's copy of the collection & post the Name & Publishertomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-30388713978392606182015-02-25T12:45:29.395-05:002015-02-25T12:45:29.395-05:00It was a money grab, no doubt. But they were plent...It was a money grab, no doubt. But they were plenty of things that needed to be addressed with 3.0.<br /><br />As mentioned, some of the spells were pretty unbalancing. Like Harm, reducing any creature to 1d4 hit points (requiring a touch attack, but no saving throw, IIRC).<br />There was something about if your halfling was made Tiny, he could be a "mini-mage" with a big bonus to AC. <Stelios V. Perdioshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466676702515521939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-64288228573119269952015-02-25T11:15:34.484-05:002015-02-25T11:15:34.484-05:00Actually, from what I recall, WotC still made the ...Actually, from what I recall, WotC still made the errata available for free, so all those people bitchin' about buying new books didn't actually HAVE to buy the books if they downloaded and printed the errata.Raging Owlbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556804177905125874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-55788286214218718592015-02-25T11:11:58.601-05:002015-02-25T11:11:58.601-05:00The Monster Manual changed very little... Almost n...The Monster Manual changed very little... Almost not at all.<br /><br />Most of the major changes were to classes, feats and spells in the PHB. DMG wasn't really much different either. One could easily play 3.5 with the 3.0 Monster Manual and DMG. <br /><br />The 3.0 PHB probably could have been used with errata, but the errata was getting so big, I think that's why they chose to Raging Owlbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556804177905125874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-70716437242377366452015-02-25T10:56:03.046-05:002015-02-25T10:56:03.046-05:00Most of thee 3.5 changes were pointless and fiddly...Most of thee 3.5 changes were pointless and fiddly to me. i do think wotc was trying to regain some control of the d20 pandoras box they had opened.<br />I loathed things like a small longsword or a huge dagger. It's a fantasy game... would Pixie Brands and Ettin Dirks have been less evocative and fantastical?JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-47229039192129095962015-02-25T10:55:33.689-05:002015-02-25T10:55:33.689-05:00Most of thee 3.5 changes were pointless and fiddly...Most of thee 3.5 changes were pointless and fiddly to me. i do think wotc was trying to regain some control of the d20 pandoras box they had opened.<br />I loathed things like a small longsword or a huge dagger. It's a fantasy game... would Pixie Brands and Ettin Dirks have been less evocative and fantastical?JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-63415027531739602042015-02-25T08:41:46.100-05:002015-02-25T08:41:46.100-05:00I played a fair amount of 3.0, and switched over t...I played a fair amount of 3.0, and switched over to 3.5 because that's what the DM wanted to do -- not sure if he was driven by problems at the table or just thought the rules were more elegant in 3.5, but I know he cared a lot about the rules being elegant (still does). I do remember being persuaded by the change to barbarian and maybe fighter class advancements that it looked better for Mike Monacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11474135378521139178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-88589802442787227702015-02-25T08:02:27.477-05:002015-02-25T08:02:27.477-05:00Haste was also overpowered. But as with Mark's...Haste was also overpowered. But as with Mark's group, we never converted to 3.5 or 4; ww changed to Pathfinder instead.Rod Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12824146866756155345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-33347639781060322822015-02-25T08:02:18.546-05:002015-02-25T08:02:18.546-05:00Haste was also overpowered. But as with Mark's...Haste was also overpowered. But as with Mark's group, we never converted to 3.5 or 4; ww changed to Pathfinder instead.Rod Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12824146866756155345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-80877307652372777572015-02-25T05:04:49.196-05:002015-02-25T05:04:49.196-05:00Our group played 3.0 for years and never bought th...Our group played 3.0 for years and never bought the 3.5 books, never had much of an issue.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793781986788315513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-1169943615053367172015-02-25T00:56:15.995-05:002015-02-25T00:56:15.995-05:003.0 was great. However, it was the edition which g...3.0 was great. However, it was the edition which got wacked over the head by the fact that the whole "system mastery" "char op minigame" thing was ripe for exploitation in the D20 system. My understanding of how it went down was all through gossip and rumor (and I was in Seattle during all this) with only a few run-ins with people who had first-hand experience with the many Doctor Futurityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586371999646337047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-8297337286453003762015-02-25T00:07:06.206-05:002015-02-25T00:07:06.206-05:00I played 3.0.
I never understood what all the fus...I played 3.0.<br /><br />I never understood what all the fuss was about.Robin Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200782625914126023noreply@blogger.com