tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post713197220913400369..comments2023-06-15T11:59:39.572-04:00Comments on DYVERS: Lord, Forgive Me. I'm Talking About Politics. Dyvershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06032957275132817602noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-15659405216740593342014-08-11T15:57:13.212-04:002014-08-11T15:57:13.212-04:00Tom, state and city government pay for local roads...Tom, state and city government pay for local roads and state routes. They do not pay for the interstates. I clearly stated that it was rough math at best, and since he and I were discussing FEDERAL taxes I felt it was only smart to keep to the subject matter. <br /><br />The math is not naive, the actual math is quite accurate. Was it a over generalized equation lumping everything together for Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-6007675862834206742014-08-11T14:46:45.010-04:002014-08-11T14:46:45.010-04:00Ok, maybe my muscles do hurt a bit from laughing s...Ok, maybe my muscles do hurt a bit from laughing so hard ;-)<br /><br /><a href="http://dyverscampaign.blogspot.com/2014/08/lord-forgive-me-im-talking-about.html?showComment=1407521069740#c8089959096955981440" rel="nofollow">Your math</a> is just comically naive in its assumptions that: Federal Highway spending is relevant, because State and Local governments pay for the vast majority of road tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-50222676569021451792014-08-11T13:23:32.363-04:002014-08-11T13:23:32.363-04:00You sound hurt. Now my math is off? Interesting......You sound hurt. Now my math is off? Interesting... You did mention it before! Nice! Sorry, I check the blog from work and as such I tend to skim a lot and tab between screens. So, my comments aren't always coherent as I'd like them to be as I have to focus on estimates too, damn work getting in the way.<br /><br />I don't blame the current election system as much as you infer. I do Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-30303674753996512682014-08-11T12:24:04.739-04:002014-08-11T12:24:04.739-04:00Perhaps it is your reading, writing & arithmet...Perhaps it is your reading, writing & arithmetic skills that need honing more than your politics ;-) With regard to your numbered points:<br /><br />1) I am not hurt. I don't care if you ignore me. I may be starting to wish you would, so this inane argument could just die. I merely <a href="http://dyverscampaign.blogspot.com/2014/08/lord-forgive-me-im-talking-about.html?showComment=tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-65584552838934494192014-08-11T10:15:19.173-04:002014-08-11T10:15:19.173-04:00Actually Tom, lets clear a few things up.
1. I ne...Actually Tom, lets clear a few things up.<br /><br />1. I never saw your statement in Eric's post, so I apologize that you feel butt hurt that you think I ignored your comment. <br /><br />2. I am not a fan of big government, but I do see the insanity of trying go it alone as individual states. We need government, just not in the capacity it has become. <br /><br />3. Yep, I did mean First Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-26499972130020520172014-08-09T08:16:52.918-04:002014-08-09T08:16:52.918-04:00The problem is BOTH parties are guilty of this. Ma...The problem is BOTH parties are guilty of this. Many just turn blinders on when it comes to their pet party refusing to negotiate. <br /><br />In any case, the whole show is a sham. They drum up all kinds of frenzy over minor issues, but both parties agree on all the really important stuff (like give Saudi Arabia billions every year). Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04732052814850525574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-28945663943722793192014-08-08T21:12:01.629-04:002014-08-08T21:12:01.629-04:00Ok let's recap:
So I'm in the process of ...Ok let's recap:<br /><br />So I'm in the process of writing a a comment to Charles' post, when a thread or two above, you blast Eric with a the most stunning and innovative rebuttal of libertarianism the world has ever seen ... "Who will build the roads?" Off the top of my head I cite an anecdote about some guy who built a road as a half a million dollar gamble that his tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-80899590969559814402014-08-08T14:04:29.740-04:002014-08-08T14:04:29.740-04:00I sincerely wonder about you... contractors still ...I sincerely wonder about you... contractors still have bidding wars for jobs, governments have budgets and must adhere to them. As such, they have a set price to pay for services, such as building roads. <br /><br />As for the costs, all we have to do is figure the number of people taxed and the amount of money the government actually spends for roads and we have our figure. In the 2009 the US Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-17696591524430934792014-08-08T13:19:23.452-04:002014-08-08T13:19:23.452-04:00So you're opposed to transparency of costs, or...So you're opposed to transparency of costs, or what? How much do you pay per mile to drive on government roads? Give me that figure, and then we'll decide whether or not it's an egregious insult to pay $2.45 every few miles. (Apparently the people who use those roads find it to be worth the price, and a lot more might too, if they weren't forced to pay for government roads waywardwayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338700537762637962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-86099016344606349592014-08-08T12:20:38.497-04:002014-08-08T12:20:38.497-04:00I agree on both points, If you find some one open...I agree on both points, If you find some one open to discussion, some one else buts in and ruins the whole conversation. I have a very real love hate relationship with the internet.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793781986788315513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-13376190880908131502014-08-08T11:54:07.557-04:002014-08-08T11:54:07.557-04:00Fair enough. :p
--DitherFair enough. :p<br /><br />--Ditherditherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636135891319380870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-84429973349041023272014-08-08T11:52:40.952-04:002014-08-08T11:52:40.952-04:00I disagree. It is the entrenched career politicia...I disagree. It is the entrenched career politicians that are the munchkins. They almost never face a real challenge. they have more money & power than they deserve, and they behave like spoiled children when someone dares to question them.tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-69167492867889213342014-08-08T11:50:44.181-04:002014-08-08T11:50:44.181-04:00Really? How am I misleading or distracting? I argu...Really? How am I misleading or distracting? I argued that they system is flawed, and gave my stance when lambasted by you. Your rebuke was to call me a whiner. I then asked how I should change the system, your rebuke was to call it a red herring argument. <br /><br />Nice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-5447767967034733232014-08-08T11:40:38.559-04:002014-08-08T11:40:38.559-04:00As you like Eric.
There are plenty of toll roads...As you like Eric. <br /><br />There are plenty of toll roads in this country that the user must pay above and beyond taxes. Because the local government contracted out the work and that company owns the road. I know the E-470 in Denver is this way, $2.45 per booth, spaced every 2-4 miles apart. I know the Dulles toll road in DC is similar, $2.50 per booth. I know these from personal experience. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-26808115069497018392014-08-08T11:36:43.137-04:002014-08-08T11:36:43.137-04:00Extremists are to politics as munchkins are to D&a...Extremists are to politics as munchkins are to D&D.<br /><br />Discuss. ;)<br /><br />--Ditherditherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636135891319380870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-18471907882080804982014-08-08T11:33:00.431-04:002014-08-08T11:33:00.431-04:00So what is your point, Nick? All I see is another ...So what is your point, Nick? All I see is another Red Herring, and more whining about how powerless you are.tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-29055315536203456762014-08-08T11:08:02.577-04:002014-08-08T11:08:02.577-04:00I'm sorry, but none of that makes the least bi...I'm sorry, but none of that makes the least bit of sense. Yes, there's a near-monopoly on roads, because only the government has the power to extract funding from "customers" without their consent, and then pretend the service is free. Anyone else attempting to operate a road would necessarily have to charge over and above what you've already been forced to pay. Very few waywardwayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338700537762637962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-66994417289154750792014-08-08T10:35:49.930-04:002014-08-08T10:35:49.930-04:00Ah, good catch Tom, it's in how you or in this...Ah, good catch Tom, it's in how you or in this case I word it. I said popular when in fact I should have said MAJORITY. <br /><br />In the last 38 elections since the Republicans and Democrats first faced each other, the winner DID NOT GET A MAJORITY of the popular vote almost 1/3 of the time.<br /><br />Yes, a third of our elections, I would call staggering. <br /><br />Now THAT is the same Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-56538020399059184102014-08-08T10:26:29.622-04:002014-08-08T10:26:29.622-04:00Eric,
Monopoly on roads...? I'm sorry I didn...Eric, <br /><br />Monopoly on roads...? I'm sorry I didn't know that there was a big push to start owning roads? <br /><br />Do you own a vehicle? Do you drive? Would you pay individually to use EVERY road? No one could afford it if every road was tolled/taxed per person per mile. <br /><br />Your idealism, it's not functional, taxes are a must. In your scenario only the elite would Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-31421828509832198302014-08-08T10:23:35.655-04:002014-08-08T10:23:35.655-04:001876, 1888 and maybe 2000. I'd hardly call twi...1876, 1888 and maybe 2000. I'd hardly call twice in 226 years "staggering".<br /><br />So if you don't like the system, quit whining and do something about it...tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-33208499190152611532014-08-08T10:03:16.750-04:002014-08-08T10:03:16.750-04:00No, Tom, it's not. The current First to Poll t...No, Tom, it's not. The current First to Poll that we use with INVARIABLY degrade to a 2 party system with no REAL representation of the people. <br /><br />Thomas Jefferson, while intelligent, did not face the lobbying groups that Washington has now. They direct more votes than the people. Look up how many times the Electoral College has voted against the popular vote, it's staggering. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731655478966930538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-61181442296310989222014-08-08T07:57:57.402-04:002014-08-08T07:57:57.402-04:00Differences of opinion while still being able to e...Differences of opinion while still being able to engage with each other are great. If all I wanted to do was be arround an awesome sychophant I'd stay home and talk to myself.<br />I kid you not: there was one social click I was loosely connected to years ago that included a skinhead, a jew, an activist lesbian, a hindu, and a born again. Their common bond was helping other people and punk JDJarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07691101939920824546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-78122918663165957892014-08-08T00:44:48.573-04:002014-08-08T00:44:48.573-04:00Quoting Thomas Jefferson once again, "I never...Quoting Thomas Jefferson once again, "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend."tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-76100199238617777032014-08-07T23:21:22.374-04:002014-08-07T23:21:22.374-04:00@Tom
"Charles, you seem like a man with stro...@Tom<br /><br />"Charles, you seem like a man with strong convictions, many of which I probably disagree with."<br /><br />That's the glory of democracy - we can disagree about what's going on but I we don't have to dislike each other. ;)<br /><br />"Everyone should learn at an early age that politicians, in general, are liars and criminals that they may be forced to Dyvershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06032957275132817602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5124770754805827894.post-37357355328268148682014-08-07T20:06:06.461-04:002014-08-07T20:06:06.461-04:00Blaming the system is the ultimate cop-out. I woul...Blaming the system is the ultimate cop-out. I would love to see our plurality based elections replaced by an Instant Run-Off system with "None of the Above" as a required option on every ballot, but it ain't gonna happen. Even if we throw the bums out, the best we can hope for in most cases is a new set of bums.<br /><br />As Thomas Jefferson may have said: "The price of tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.com